Winter Monster Bash 8 Bradenville, PA Jan 9 and 10

[DEVASTATOR]

WMB8 is on Saturday January 9th and Sunday January 10th.
Bradenville, Pennsylvania
Events will be held indoors.

Entry fee for Saturday Racing:
1st Truck = $20.00
2nd Truck = $15.00
3rd Truck = $5.00
4th truck or beyond = FREE
RCMT members get a $5.00 discount at registration for mentioning they are an RCMT member.

Sponsors.......We need sponsors so if you'd like to help out, please contact me at Devastator2000@comcast.net
1. Tamiya
2. HPI
3. RC4WD
4. BTB Racing
5. Overdose Racing

Race winners will receive trophies and 2nd and 3rd receive ribbons. If we can secure some sponsors for this race we will again have door prizes and give-aways as we have done at prior events.

Schedule of events:
SATURDAY
---Doors open at 10:00AM
---Practice and registration from 10:00AM to 12:00PM
---Concourse begins at 12:00PM
---Racing begins ~ 1:00PM
---Drag Racing at conclusion of featured racing event (2WD and 4WD) $5.00 per entry. **Truck must be legal per actual racing class rules.....NO buggies**
---Long Jump immediately after Drags (2WD and 4WD) Free if already entered in Saturday racing events. **Truck must be legal per actual racing class rules.....NO buggies**

SUNDAY
---Doors open at 9:00AM
---Sign-up for events from 9:00AM to 10:00AM
---Trials Course

***Trials Competition***
There will be *5* classes at this event. There will be:
1. Novice (For total beginners, run whatever you have....2WD or 4WD)
2. 2WD
3. 4WD (2.2 tire trucks) ex. Bruiser, TLT etc....
4. 4WD (Clod size tire trucks)
5. 4WD Extreme

Trials Competition Rules:

----Novice Class:
Just for beginners. "Run what you brung" which means open to just about any vehicle type.
Will run on the 2wd course, must physically fit on the course.
If you run this class, you can not run any other class, BEGINNERS ONLY!
(think of it as the class for true beginners, children and nylints)

----2wd Class:
Basically any type of 2wd Monster Truck. May be front or rear wheel drive.
No limit on motors, batteries or suspension setup.
No limit on tire size or tread. Must physically fit on the course.

----4wd Class:
Basically any type of 4wd Monster Truck. Only allowed ONE "serious crawling" mod.
("serious crawling" mods include, but are not limited to the following:
4 wheel steer, locked diffs, gear reductions or "dig" setups.)
More than ONE "serious crawling" mod and you need to move to 2.2 4wd or Extreme.
No limit on motors, batteries or suspension setup.
No limit on tire size or tread. Must physically fit on the course.

----2.2 4wd Class:
This is for the 2.2 crawlers. Must be 4wd. Allowed to have 2 or more "serious crawling" mods.
("serious crawling" mods include, but are not limited to the following:
4 wheel steer, locked diffs, gear reductions or "dig" setups.)
No limit on motors, batteries or suspension setup.
Must use 2.2" sized rims/tires. Tread is allowed to be cut and modified, but not added to.
No limit on wheelbase or track width, but must physically fit on the course.

----Extreme Class:
This class is for the "super class" type crawlers. Must be 4wd.
Allowed to have 2 or more "serious crawling" mods.
("serious crawling" mods include, but are not limited to the following:
4 wheel steer, locked diffs, gear reductions or "dig" setups.)
No limit on motors, batteries or suspension setup.
No limit on tire size or tread. Must physically fit on the course.

Lipo batteries will be legal at this event. Read below in this post for more information.
RACING CLASSES & RULES
----2WD Stampede
Must use 27-turn ROAR legal motors, kit motor or Magnetic Mayhem. 6-cell battery or 2S Lipo (Hard case). Must use tires 4 inches tall or taller, no spiked tires. 5-minute races

----2WD Modified Stampede
7-cell batteries or less, no motor limit, BL motors permitted. 2S Lipo (Hard case). Must use tires 4 inches tall or taller, no spiked tires 5-minute races

----Conversion
Class for 2.2 wheel trucks. 2WD or 4WD allowed. Trucks such as Wild Dagger, 4X4 Stampede, Losi, AE trucks, Rustlers, HPI MT's etc..... Must use tires 4 inches tall or taller, no spiked tires. No motor limit, BL Allowed, 7-cell batteries or less or 2S Lipo (Hard case). 5-minute races

----2WD Clod-o-Pede
For Stampedes running Clod sized tires, no spiked tires. No motor limit, BL motors allowed, 7-cells or less or 2S Lipo (Hard case). 4-minute races.

----Stock Independent Suspension (Former Stock E-Maxx class)
This class is for any of the larger type independent suspension trucks such as the E-Maxx, E-Revo, E-Savage etc... NO Wild Daggers or similar sized trucks.
Can do any mods to the truck but *must* use the stock Titan motors and run 12-cells. 2S Lipo batteries allowed (Hard case). Must use rubber tires, no spikes. 5-minute races. In the event there are not enough stock and mod maxxes to form two classes, we may form one class of both stock and mod trucks.

----Modified Independent Suspension (Former Modified E-Maxx class)
This class is for any of the larger type independent suspension trucks such as the E-Maxx, E-Revo, E-Savage etc... NO Wild Daggers or similar sized trucks.
Essentially no rules for this class. No limits on batteries, motors or anything else. BL motors allowed. 2S Lipo allowed (Hard case). Must use rubber tires, no spikes. 4-minute races. In the event there are not enough stock and mod maxxes to form two classes, we may form one class of both stock and mod maxxes.

----Novice
Class for the kids and true beginners. Run what you have. 4-minute races.

----4WD Modified
Class for Clods and USA-1 trucks. no motor limit, BL motors allowed, no cell limits. 2S Lipo allowed (Hard case). Must use rubber monster type tires. Tires must be a minimum diameter of 5 1/2 inches and minimum width of 4 inches. 4-minute races.

----4WD Modified II
Class for Clods and USA-1 trucks. This class is being kept on in the event we get a large turnout and people have more clods than there are classes and essentially is an "over-flow" class. no motor limit, BL motors allowed, no cell limits. 2S Lipo allowed (Hard case). Must use rubber monster type tires. Tires must be a minimum diameter of 5 1/2 inches and minimum width of 4 inches 4-minute races.

----Open
Class for "Clod-sized" trucks and experimental trucks or trucks that do not fit other listed classes. Trucks like 4X4 Clod-o-Pedes, Clod-o-Daggers, mutant monsters etc..... No cell limits. BL motors allowed. 2S Lipo allowed (Hard case). Must use rubber monster type tires. 4-minute races.

----Shaft Drive
Solid axle shaft driven trucks like TXT-1, Juggs or Twin Force. No motor limit, no cell limit. 2S Lipo allowed (Hard case). BL motors allowed. Must use rubber monster type tires. Tires must be a minimum diameter of 5 1/2 inches and minimum width of 4 inches. 4-minute races.

----Replica
Solid axle and USA-1 trucks running *full* tube frame chassis. No motor limit, BL motors allowed, no cell limit. 2S Lipo allowed (Hard case). Must use rubber monster type tires. Tires must be a minimum diameter of 5 1/2 inches and minimum width of 4 inches. 4-minute races.

----Sport Modified
Class for all solid axle trucks (and USA-1). Must use 17-turn motors or higher. Must use 6-cell battery or 2S Lipo (Hard case). Must use stock Clod tires. Any chassis allowed with any mods to it. 4-minute races.

----Mini Monster Truck
Stock or Mod set-ups (including motors) allowed. We'll run this class this way until we see if there's enough to make a stock and mod class. Basically, run what you have if it is a TLT-1, Losi Mini LST or any of the other mini monster trucks. 4-minute races.

----2WD Trophy Trucks
This class is for 2WD trucks such as the Slash, SC10 and similar types. It is a modified class and BL motors are allowed, so no motor limits. 6-cell NIMH or 2S Lipo batteries (Hard case). Must run a body that is consistant with this type of truck (covers the wheels).

----4WD Trophy Trucks
If any of the new 4WD trophy trucks show up, they will have a place to race. Rules for this class will be the same as 2WD Trophy Truck.

----2WD Stock Stadium Truck
Stock 27-turn motor or 17.5 BL motor. 6-cell NiCad or NiMH OR 2-cell 7.4 volt Lipo (Hard case). Must use rubber tires. 4-minute race. ***This class of trucks will NOT be eligible for Concourse awards, Long Jump or Drag Racing***

----4WD Buggy
Stock 27-turn motor or 17.5 BL motor. 6-cell NiCad or NiMH OR 2-cell 7.4 volt Lipo. Must use rubber tires. 5-minute race. ***This class will NOT be eligible for Concourse awards, Long Jump or Drag Racing***




As mentioned above, Lipo batteries are being allowed at this event. There are rules covering several areas that must be followed. These rules are straight from ROAR and we are using them word for word. Two areas we will not budge on are these:
---Battery manufacturer
---Battery charging bags
Here is the list of ROAR approved Lipo batteries:
http://www.roarracing.com/approvals/lipobattery.php

It is critical that ALL Lipos used be in their factory hard cases. Batteries not in a hard case will not be permitted to run.

It is VERY important that any Lipo you intend to use at this event only be a 2-cell Lipo. Anything over that will not be allowed. If you run an unapproved Lipo battery that does meet the standards we have posted, the truck it runs in will be DQ'd for the class it is racing in. Safety is paramount and we will not budge on that.

Here is the list of approved charging bags:
--Common Sense Lipo bag
--Racers Edge Lipo Bag
--K&S Lipo bag
--WoodWorks Lipo Sack
--MaxAmps Lipo sack

All racing classes are open for Lipo usage.

If you would like to read more about the rules establised by ROAR, please follow this link: http://www.roarracing.com/rules.php Pages 34 - 37 cover our needs.


Overnight accommodations:
--Super 8
Located near Greensburg, PA. on RT 30
Phone # (724) 838-8080

--Super 8
Rt. 22 Delmont
Phone # (724) 468-4888

--Holiday Inn Express
RT. 30 Greensburg
Phone # (724) 838-7070

--Holiday Inn
RT. 22 Delmont
Phone # (724) 468-1050

--Comfort Inn
Rt. 22 Blairsville
Phone # (724) 459-7100
or 1-800-770-0000


In the event of a change to anything regarding the event, it will be posted here in this post and with a reply to the topic itself. So please check back often for updates and/or announcements.

[DEVASTATOR]

Please check back as there are some major rule changes taking effect for this event. All tire rules are going to see some changes for most of the classes. I just wanted to get the topic posted with a date for everybody to see. We will be adopting the NRCTPA tire rules for the majority of the classes so that's as big a heads-up as I can give for right now.

Trophy trucks.........
The 2WD class will be one class only. Our tracks are so tight that stock and mod make no real difference in the outcome so both will be run together.

If the new 4WD trucks show up for this event, they will have a class of their own.

We are looking into some great sponsors this time around so keep checking back for that info too. The WMB events we hold are great events and I expect this one to be no different. So, we hope to see everybody back and hope to see new racers show up for this event as well.

[SavedONE]

-Do you have the actual addy. of where the race is to be held, (for those who want to mapquest)?

[carcrusher]

2066 Alexandria St
Bradenville, PA 15620

use google maps - mapquest is garbage

[SavedONE]

-thank-you

[DEVASTATOR]

**Announcement**

Major rules updates have been made for many of the racing classes so please read through them carefully. They all are in regard to tires. We have basically eased many restrictions on what can be run.

There may be some more updates so please keep checking back

[Orange Pedeanaut]

So no more Imex Claw Dawgs in Conversion? Sorry Dagger...

[Digger]

Why not, aren't they taller than 4"?

[Orange Pedeanaut]

I think they are like 3.5"??? Not sure, trucks kinda buried right now LOL

[Digger]

According to the specs, 2.2 claw dawgs are 4" in diameter, which would make them legal, right? I don't have any myself to check... lol

[DEVASTATOR]

Claw Dawgs are totally legal for Conversion. Claw Dawgs are appx 4 1/8" tall. Believe me Nick, I would not endorse a rule that would ban Claw Dawgs from all 2.2 classes seeing as how I run them too LOL!!!

[DEVASTATOR]

I just went and re-measured the Claw Dawgs again and they are 4 1/8" tall.........more than legal. I don't have to look at stock Pede tires to know they are even taller than that because they are.

The rules that are now being used for Stock and Mod Pede and Conversion are identical to the NRCTPA tire rules for 2WD Stock Tuff Truck.

[carcrusher]

just measured - my tires are just over 4, lunchbox/pumpkin tires are 4 3/8.

also, how are we to measure? with the truck at ride height? or with the tire off the truck? it can make up to a quarter inch difference in tires without foams.

also, i know this will come up with some of the local guys - what constitutes a spiked tire? goosebumps are a popular choice and they do have pins on top of bars. step pins are used a lot too . . . . . . .

[DEVASTATOR]

See, don't panic until you have the facts I'm looking out for everybody here I want everybody to look like this -> and not like this ->

[Digger]

The letter of the law says 4" tall or taller. It says nothing about whether they are on a truck or not. The no spike rule is for the thick, tall spikes that can mess with the "nap" of the carpet, that's all. Otherwise tread design doesn't matter now, as long as it doesn't damage the carpet. Understand? The friday guys are already used to that idea about the spikes... Bowties and similar don't harm the carpet...

[carcrusher]

gotcha neil. didn't really know if the spikes applied to regular off road tires and whatnot.

[DEVASTATOR]

Sponsor update. HPI will be onboard to help........all thanks to Carcrusher for that one

Also confirmed today is

Hopefully, we can bring in some more sponsors to help keep this event going strong

[cfracing77]

I agree with running stock and mod throphy trucks together. Me and Neil just had this discussion. The track doesn't allow a super fast motor to have an advantage. This holds true for all the classes. Driving skill is what it takes to win.

[Orange Pedeanaut]

I think that a good reason to keep stock/mod classes is that some people run a truck in both. I for one have 2 Pedes that I race for example. Others have 2 Clods or 2 Slash's or two whatever. Just something else to think about

[DEVASTATOR]

Nick, only trophy truck is being combined. There will still be a stock and mod pede class as well as all the other classes we've always had.

The Stock vs Mod comparison is very true. Our tracks usually even out of the differences between stock and mod but like you said Nick, some have more than one truck of the same type and so it is good to split them. If trophy truck gets that big, maybe do a trophy truck I and II like we do with Modified Clod. Something to consider anyway.